News Russia deploys Avangard hypersonic missile system

[TheShuttleExperience]

Honestly, our biggest problem with immigration does not come from outside, but stays inside our country and all that immigration noise just makes sure that nothing will change at all. Our bureaucracy is simply dysfunctional. It takes us two years to find out that somebody has no right to stay in this country and then we fail to get them out of our country by simple errors like not calling an office in another EU country within 6 months. Or to validate an information from another countries intelligence agency and warn other organisations in Germany about a threat within a month. Same for the industry. Volkswagen is not in a crisis because they build bad cars. Its in a crisis because they need 5 times more managers to do the job than the competition, file much more useless paperwork or need to wait for approval from too many managers (I experience that first hand, trust me), need 5 years for a new car which is really bad and additionally to that, decided to build the wrong cars for the market. And no, its not because they went electric. Otherwise their China business would have skyrocketed. They had absolutely no BEV ready for the Chinese market in 2024. And they sell most BEVs in Germany, even more than Tesla and grew, even when the market in general shrunk because of the cancellation of subsidies there. And who was paid well this year, despite all that? Managers and shareholders. The same idiots that cancelled a pretty good strategy by Diess in hindsight and went for the Porsche family way that now harms the company.

And then, you read this: https://www.igm-bei-vw.de/meldung/b...management-derweil-aber-auf-sause-in-schweden

Its really laughable, how bad things really are, if you look at the root causes.

Thats also what can make us misestimate costs. What might cost us a trillion to finance the paperwork, could cost less than 250 million in a country with lower PPP and little bureaucracy.

Sorry for the rant, but it really is hard to swallow.

IMHO our biggest problem with immigration originates in the strange mindset of certain people, that have no use for our constitution clause 16a (as well as what borders, border controls and armed forces are there for), and don't know the world map very well. It's actually a social issue that originated 56 years ago already, and today effects our educational system, journalism, parties etc. One could write a(nother) book about that woke/humanism nonsense. But that's off topic anyway.

I still think it's very unlikely to see that MiG-41 hypersonic super fighter in serial production any time soon. The rat's tail is quite long and the war in Ukraine is not a contribution but rather requires resources that are already thrown at that war. Such a jet would burn some extra fuel and likely requires aerial refueling I guess, which is limited in Russia anyway, compared to the US (30 times more refueling airplanes).

 

[Urwumpe]

IMHO our biggest problem with immigration originates in the strange mindset of certain people, that have no use for our constitution clause 16a (as well as what borders, border controls and armed forces are there for), and don't know the world map very well. It's actually a social issue that originated 56 years ago already, and today effects our educational system, journalism, parties etc. One could write a(nother) book about that woke/humanism nonsense. But that's off topic anyway.

Yeah, thats offtopic and not something I could discuss. I can never understand how somebody who never happily served the Nazis and lost a world war can talk like THIS generation of losers.

And again: Russia is not limited to do, what is sane or the best way. Just like you are not forced to appreciate, what helped you.

 

[Thunder Chicken]

I still think it's very unlikely to see that MiG-41 hypersonic super fighter in serial production any time soon. The rat's tail is quite long and the war in Ukraine is not a contribution but rather requires resources that are already thrown at that war. Such a jet would burn some extra fuel and likely requires aerial refueling I guess, which is limited in Russia anyway, compared to the US (30 times more refueling airplanes).

Russia's weapons industry was a big player on the global arms market until T-72 turrets started getting tossed in Ukraine. Russian arms manufacturers are probably doing good business internally these days, but their export market is a hedge for any loss in state orders. They have to advertise high technological sophistication. The MiG-41 is pretty much like an auto manufacturer flexing some crazy concept car at an auto show. That car will never go into production, but it has all sorts of cool features that it will get attention.

I seriously doubt that the MiG-41 would be seriously considered for Russian internal procurement either. Since the 1990s the Russian MoD has spent so much money on a vanity military in an attempt to match western technologies toe-to-toe, but not really purchasing the military they actually needed to have in a likely engagement in Europe. They're probably now wishing that they had much more capacity to make mundane things like artillery shells and howitzer barrels and tanks. They are burning through their legacy Soviet stockpiles of these things at a horrifying rate and will probably be limited to very low production rates in a year or so after they are consumed. I don't think a vanity hypersonic plane meets any need of the Russian MoD right now.

 

[TheShuttleExperience]

Yeah, thats offtopic and not something I could discuss. I can never understand how somebody who never happily served the Nazis and lost a world war can talk like THIS generation of losers.

Yeah, neither you nor me supported the NS dictatorship. Nor did we start and lose a war. We are also not responsible for the crusades or the hunt of the mammoth

Borders have a sense and a purpose, on both the large and our private small scales.

And again: Russia is not limited to do, what is sane or the best way. Just like you are not forced to appreciate, what helped you.

It's not about the best or sane way. It's about money and ressources I think.

 

[Urwumpe]

Borders have a sense and a purpose, on both the large and our private small scales.

Our borders are, where our laws end. Never forget this important lesson about a round planet. What goes around, comes around.

And Mr. "Humanism is the Evil"... A tyrant can use ALL resources of of his country. Thats why he is a tyrant, after all. He doesn't even need money, if he is nice, he gives out IOUs. If not, he just takes what he needs and makes people create more of it.

 

[TheShuttleExperience]

Our borders are, where our laws end. Never forget this important lesson about a round planet. What goes around, comes around.

And Mr. "Humanism is the Evil"... A tyrant can use ALL resources of of his country. Thats why he is a tyrant, after all. He doesn't even need money, if he is nice, he gives out IOUs. If not, he just takes what he needs and makes people create more of it.

A fake humanism and violation of our laws, based on the strange idea that we are responsible for everything and everyone, results in the oposite of its intention. It divides our society and empowers extremism.

 

[Urwumpe]

A fake humanism and violation of our laws, based on the strange idea that we are responsible for everything and everyone, results in the oposite of its intention. It divides our society and empowers extremism.

Regardless how bad you make Germany, it will still be a better place than those that are in trouble because of OUR greed for resources and money. People know it and follow the money.

Turn Germany into a fascist paradise or accept our place in the world and our responsibility for our actions. Your choice.

And if over 99% of the immigrants make no trouble at all, why punish them all and not those who actually deserve it? Can you explain this to me?

 

[TheShuttleExperience]

Regardless how bad you make Germany, it will still be a better place than those that are in trouble because of OUR greed for resources and money. People know it and follow the money.

Turn Germany into a fascist paradise or accept our place in the world and our responsibility for our actions. Your choice.

And if over 99% of the immigrants make no trouble at all, why punish them all and not those who actually deserve it? Can you explain this to me?

I don't think we are greedy. I think we are ambitious for wealth and enjoyment, just like any other ambitious nation on the globe, and those to come.

Germany is not bad. Germany is my country. I don't see an intelligent explanation why it shall be bartered away uselessly. It seems to be an emotional topic for some people, that chronically feel bad/guilty and want to do something to make themselves feel good/not so bad. I personally don't know that feeling. I'm more like a cerebral person. I am a legal consumer that enables people to have jobs, not only in Germany but also around the globe.

Ordinary and legal immigration does rarely cause significant issues I think. Especially not in the European context. The issue we have is illegal border crossing in huge numbers, by people trashing their ID cards deliberately, from significantly different countries that are thousands of kilometers away. I don't know who wants to turn Germany into a "fascist paradise". Germany first and foremost is a state of law. Clause 16a was included in our constitution to preserve social harmony and insure inner security. I think every legal citizen and taxpayer in our country, including people with immigrant background, can expect the preservation of law and order

 

[jedidia]

I don't think we are greedy.

Oh boy, where to even start...

I think we are ambitious for wealth and enjoyment,

Paired with a lack of compassion, that's exactly what greed is.

Just like any other ambitious nation on the globe, and those to come.

Here at least we agree. We are not special in that regard. There have been many like us, and there will be many more. What keeps confusing me is people realising this, and then going "oh well, it's not so bad then". Like, huh? How is a neverending cycle of exploitation that we're just a small part in better than if we were just singularly evil? I mean, yes, it makes us less evil in the grand scheme of things, so bettter for us, I guess, but we're still doing the same things, and realising that everybody (that can) does them objectively should make things seem worse, not better...

Aaaand that's the point where I'm going full misanthropist again, because all we ever seem to be able to manage or even aspire to is not being too much more evil than the other guy. Probably better I stop here.

 

[TheShuttleExperience]

Oh boy, where to even start...


Paired with a lack of compassion, that's exactly what greed is.


Here at least we agree. We are not special in that regard. There have been many like us, and there will be many more. What keeps confusing me is people realising this, and then going "oh well, it's not so bad then". Like, huh? How is a neverending cycle of exploitation that we're just a small part in better than if we were just singularly evil? I mean, yes, it makes us less evil in the grand scheme of things, but we're still doing the same things, and realising that everybody (that can) does them objectively should make things seem worse, not better...

Aaaand that's the point where I'm going full misanthropist again, because all we ever seem to be able to manage or even aspire to is not being too much more evil than the other guy. Probably better I stop here, though.

I think it's like the debate regarding "social equity" or being "rich". One will always face different point of views, perceptions and strange allegations.

I have different perceptions and point of views regarding these things, which might not be very popular within certain circles. And it doesn't have to. That's the good thing about democracy, advanced opinion, and free enterprise. I live in a free country, as yet

 

[Urwumpe]

I don't think we are greedy. I think we are ambitious for wealth and enjoyment, just like any other ambitious nation on the globe, and those to come.

Maybe you need a change of perspective. Because from the point of view of 90% of the world, we would count exactly as greedy. Because our desire for more takes away their chances to get at least the essential. And thats why China can do pretty evil stuff, too, without being directly identified as greedy. We have the longer history there of being greedy and treating pretty smart people like better animals.

Germany is not bad. Germany is my country. I don't see an intelligent explanation why it shall be bartered away uselessly. It seems to be an emotional topic for some people, that chronically feel bad/guilty and want to do something to make themselves feel good/not so bad. I personally don't know that feeling. I'm more like a cerebral person. I am a legal consumer that enables people to have jobs, not only in Germany but also around the globe.

Germany can't be bad or evil. Only the people in Germany can be it. And yes, we have many bad people. We don't even need immigrants for that, our own do that perfectly and most can even claim that their evil deeds are perfectly legal.

Ordinary and legal immigration does rarely cause significant issues I think. Especially not in the European context. The issue we have is illegal border crossing in huge numbers, by people trashing their ID cards deliberately, from significantly different countries that are thousands of kilometers away. I don't know who wants to turn Germany into a "fascist paradise". Germany first and foremost is a state of law. Clause 16a was included in our constitution to preserve social harmony and insure inner security. I think every legal citizen and taxpayer in our country, including people with immigrant background, can expect the preservation of law and order

The problem is that we are fed with overly inflated and sometimes wrong numbers. Crossing the border without visum = police files a case, not a crime, illegal border crossing. And lets the investigation rest while other terribly ineffective bureaucrats get active. If the suspect turns out to be a valid refugee, the case is closed and no crime happened, since he HAD to cross the border to get identified as such. Remember our laws end at our border. Of course, there are medias then that will only look at the police number of opened cases and tell you "WE HAVE MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL MIGRATIONS EVERY YEAR". And thats absolutely nonsense. Alone that such tabloids managed to teach too many people, that suspects = criminals and cases = crimes, is a pretty good reason to think pretty bad about German intelligence. Too many want to be told lies and horror tales. Some Mr Burns lookalike comes around and tells you that 250,000 people must leave. And in reality, the number is just 30,000. And most of this number turn out to already have left the country because we don't care about how many people leave our country.

Also I don't think that our social harmony should EVER be valued higher than the lives of people or at least the social harmony of others. Social harmony is a two-way thing, like disturbing requires somebody to get disturbed. And if <2% migrants in some German states is a threat to their social harmony, I strongly doubt that this place was ever harmonic or social.

And did you know that the "secure third states" in 16a are actually nothing more than the EU today? And also only applies to the smallest groups of refugees? Likely not, because you ride trains, not paragraphs, right?

Our biggest problem are the Dublin procedures and EU states that violate it. And yes, Germany is among them, though less because of evil, than by plain idiocy and too slow bureaucracy. 6 months is too short for sending a fax.

 

[TheShuttleExperience]

Maybe you need a change of perspective. Because from the point of view of 90% of the world, we would count exactly as greedy. Because our desire for more takes away their chances to get at least the essential. And thats why China can do pretty evil stuff, too, without being directly identified as greedy. We have the longer history there of being greedy and treating pretty smart people like better animals.



Germany can't be bad or evil. Only the people in Germany can be it. And yes, we have many bad people. We don't even need immigrants for that, our own do that perfectly and most can even claim that their evil deeds are perfectly legal.




The problem is that we are fed with overly inflated and sometimes wrong numbers. Crossing the border without visum = police files a case, not a crime, illegal border crossing. And lets the investigation rest while other terribly ineffective bureaucrats get active. If the suspect turns out to be a valid refugee, the case is closed and no crime happened, since he HAD to cross the border to get identified as such. Remember our laws end at our border. Of course, there are medias then that will only look at the police number of opened cases and tell you "WE HAVE MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL MIGRATIONS EVERY YEAR". And thats absolutely nonsense. Alone that such tabloids managed to teach too many people, that suspects = criminals and cases = crimes, is a pretty good reason to think pretty bad about German intelligence. Too many want to be told lies and horror tales. Some Mr Burns lookalike comes around and tells you that 250,000 people must leave. And in reality, the number is just 30,000. And most of this number turn out to already have left the country because we don't care about how many people leave our country.

Also I don't think that our social harmony should EVER be valued higher than the lives of people or at least the social harmony of others. Social harmony is a two-way thing, like disturbing requires somebody to get disturbed. And if <2% migrants in some German states is a threat to their social harmony, I strongly doubt that this place was ever harmonic or social.

And did you know that the "secure third states" in 16a are actually nothing more than the EU today? And also only applies to the smallest groups of refugees? Likely not, because you ride trains, not paragraphs, right?

Our biggest problem are the Dublin procedures and EU states that violate it. And yes, Germany is among them, though less because of evil, than by plain idiocy and too slow bureaucracy. 6 months is too short for sending a fax.

Well, I'm not an activist, sociologist or psychologist. Which means it is not my job and not my mission in life to worry about opinions and definitions regarding social imbalances and sensitivities of people all around the globe.

As you mentioned, I drive trains. That really changed my perspective, without going into detail here. There is no need to consume media or look at numbers. A look at the train stations and streets gives the information. I can not support or tolerate this.

I am a decent citizen, not doing illegal things, helping to preserve and protect law and order in my country. I don't have to be sorry for anything or justify my life.

 

[MaxBuzz]

I get Qaher-313 vibes from this.

The new stealth Iranian 5th generation jet fighter...with steam gauges taken from a light propeller aircraft.
I guess it is a successful stealth aircraft as no one will ever see it fly.

Sukhoi Su-75


‍ Everyone has seen the F-35 fly.

 

[Fabri91]

Everyone has seen the F-35 fly.

Yes, that's the whole point.

 

[Urwumpe]

Well, I'm not an activist, sociologist or psychologist. Which means it is not my job and not my mission in life to worry about opinions and definitions regarding social imbalances and sensitivities of people all around the globe.

You are not a social being? Thats the one thing that we have really not enough of.

 

[TheShuttleExperience]

You are not a social being? Thats the one thing that we have really not enough of.

Yeah, I belong to a species that is supposed to be social. As a loner I am not quite as much social as many others, but I am to a certain extent.

But it doesn't mean that I have to agree to every nonsense only because certain people think and claim it would be a "good" and "right thing", and that "we have to", especially when the words "Germany" and "responsibility" are misused for the cream topping of the motley mud-cake (that doesn't include sugar, but climate-neutral fair trade products of course...).

 

[Urwumpe]

But it doesn't mean that I have to agree to every nonsense only because certain people think and claim it would be a "good" and "right thing", and that "we have to", especially when the words "Germany" and "responsibility" are misused for the cream topping of the motley mud-cake (that doesn't include sugar, but climate-neutral fair trade products of course...).

Yeah, but I also don't give much about a fishs opinion disliking the air.

 

[TheShuttleExperience]

Yeah, but I also don't give much about a fishs opinion disliking the air.

Yeah. Freedom of opinion is no obligation to agree.

 

[Urwumpe]

Yeah. Freedom of opinion is no obligation to agree.

Its just sad that some people like to have a stronger opinion about the things they don't know.

 

[MaxBuzz]

At least the builder used Tamiya colours. But where does Russia find so small pilots?

Thematic hypersonic model kits