Question Project Icarus or some other vessel.

[Pinguinboy]

Inhabited version 4th stage...

Reminds me of the Venture from Avatar. :thumbup:

 

[T.Neo]

Well this probe could possibly used as a bracewall probe either by us or an ETciv. Traveling through the sysetem and sending info to a civialization would be a pretty good ideal...
When i publish this thing i would like there to be a scenario that represent a possible exercise to radio contact...

The idea behind a bracewell probe is that you leave behind an artifact that can convey information to any inhabitants, for a good deal of time in the future (the simplest way to do this would be something like the Voyager phonograph record, or a bunch of engravings and a means to decipher them).

It doesn't make much sense to have a Bracewell probe that crosses the star system in only a few hours.

It'd be far easier to simply send radio messages from Earth.

Inhabited version 4th stage...

What's the habitable volume? The least you could do is give these people a bit of space...

 

[Izack]

The model looks nice so far. Regardless of the complaints, I hope to see this project finished.

How are you planning on implementing it as an Orbiter vessel? DLL Module, or Spacecraft3?

 

[fsci123]

The idea behind a bracewell probe is that you leave behind an artifact that can convey information to any inhabitants, for a good deal of time in the future (the simplest way to do this would be something like the Voyager phonograph record, or a bunch of engravings and a means to decipher them).

It doesn't make much sense to have a Bracewell probe that crosses the star system in only a few hours.

It'd be far easier to simply send radio messages from Earth.



What's the habitable volume? The least you could do is give these people a bit of space...

Bracewall probe: Hypothetical automated spacecraft sent out by advanced technological races with the object of making contact and exchanging information with other intelligent beings in the Galaxy. They are named after Ronald Bracewell who first discussed their possibility in 1960.1 Bracewell argued that interstellar "messenger probes", as he called them, offered an attractive alternative to the conventional SETI approach of listening for extraterrestrial signals and, if successful, engaging in a slow dialogue across many light-years.

Its only designed to carry a small amount of people plus some frozen zygotes and some robots that dont need life support.

Like i said it is a one way trip...

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The model looks nice so far. Regardless of the complaints, I hope to see this project finished.

How are you planning on implementing it as an Orbiter vessel? DLL Module, or Spacecraft3?

I want to make it an orbiter vessel because vessels with vinka are usualy (no offense) cheap looking... But i only made the model a few hours ago and i have no ideal how to do c++ C# F# c+ c- c= vc++ java nothing....:facepalm::sos::compbash:

 

[francisdrake]

A bracewell probe-addon would sure be a cool thing to explore the extra solar systems in Orbiter! It would require a scenario setup with the probe entering the system at high speed. The user could then decide which planet to aim for and perform the slow-down maneuver.

With a script the scenarios starting location and time could be randomized, so whenever you start this scenario it would be a new challenge to choose your target and reach it with the probes delta-V.

The probes delta-V should be not too low, to allow for a system expeditionary tour, and a few landers (probes) would be cool as well.

We should think of a fairly realistic method to provide a decent travelling speed (like 0.1c) combined with a sufficent drive to perform the slowdown and exploration at the target solar system.

 

[T.Neo]

Bracewall probe: Hypothetical automated spacecraft sent out by advanced technological races with the object of making contact and exchanging information with other intelligent beings in the Galaxy. They are named after Ronald Bracewell who first discussed their possibility in 1960.1 Bracewell argued that interstellar "messenger probes", as he called them, offered an attractive alternative to the conventional SETI approach of listening for extraterrestrial signals and, if successful, engaging in a slow dialogue across many light-years.

I know what a bracewell probe is. I was just saying that yours doesn't fit the archetype of one very well...

Its only designed to carry a small amount of people plus some frozen zygotes and some robots that dont need life support.

Like i said it is a one way trip...

And unfortunately one that would most probably end in failure; the next generation of no civilisation is going to be raised properly by any robots, and a crew of 12 would be hopelessly overworked even if they had to deal with only 20 children; considering that they'd be in their 70s even if they were in their 20s at the beginning of the mission, raising any significant amount of children properly would likely be impossible, and many mission activities would be very troublesome.

 

[fsci123]

A bracewell probe-addon would sure be a cool thing to explore the extra solar systems in Orbiter! It would require a scenario setup with the probe entering the system at high speed. The user could then decide which planet to aim for and perform the slow-down maneuver.

With a script the scenarios starting location and time could be randomized, so whenever you start this scenario it would be a new challenge to choose your target and reach it with the probes delta-V.

The probes delta-V should be not too low, to allow for a system expeditionary tour, and a few landers (probes) would be cool as well.

We should think of a fairly realistic method to provide a decent travelling speed (like 0.1c) combined with a sufficent drive to perform the slowdown and exploration at the target solar system.

Project Icarus and Daedalus are traveling at 0.12c and they cant slow down for their life... But on the optimistic side assuming we build this heep of crap a century from now methods of slowing down and possibly long term reconisance could be possible

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I know what a bracewell probe is. I was just saying that yours doesn't fit the archetype of one very well...



And unfortunately one that would most probably end in failure; the next generation of no civilisation is going to be raised properly by any robots, and a crew of 12 would be hopelessly overworked even if they had to deal with only 20 children; considering that they'd be in their 70s even if they were in their 20s at the beginning of the mission, raising any significant amount of children properly would likely be impossible, and many mission activities would be very troublesome.

My assumption is that clear signals dont travel farther than 5 ly give or take...
A probe similar to daedalus could slow down enough one it gets to a cluster of sun like stars and start screaming im here im here type of message... just to get a response from any technological ETciv...

 

[T.Neo]

Technology can improve, physics is physics.

We already know of speculative methods to slow down from 0.12 c, and also go at a higher speed, but these incur technical constraints, even fifty, a hundred, or a hundred and fifty years from now...

My assumption is that clear signals dont travel farther than 5 ly give or take...

That applies to TV, radio, telecommunications signals. There's a big difference between our planet-intended noise, and a dedicated, powerful transmission.

A probe similar to daedalus could slow down enough one it gets to a cluster of sun like stars and start screaming im here im here type of message... just to get a response from any technological ETciv...

A probe similar to Daedalus... yes, with a couple thousand tons added maybe.

I don't know what you mean by "cluster of sun like stars", the closest stellar cluster to us is many thousands of light years away, and might not be the best places for life anyway.

Also, you must remember that;

1. "I'm here, I'm here, I'm here!" may not be the best thing to shout out to an 'ETciv'.

2. Maybe they just don't care and thus aren't listening.

3. Blindly building a probe costing at the very least- many hundreds of billions of dollars- and launching it into the cosmos to blindly scream "I'm here, I'm here, I'm here", without any prior research as to whether there may actually be habitable planets or 'ETcivs' there is probably not the best option.

4. Having a probe many light years away complicates communications between two parties a great amount, and it isn't really necessary.

 

[Urwumpe]

A bracewell probe-addon would sure be a cool thing to explore the extra solar systems in Orbiter! It would require a scenario setup with the probe entering the system at high speed. The user could then decide which planet to aim for and perform the slow-down maneuver.

That is the scenario I still try to produce with the BattleTech add-on project for the first version - you are commanding an Explorer Corps jump ship (of course Magellan class :lol: ) and just entered an unknown solar system for exploration. I simply lack people making proper meshes, because my own work is a) ugly and b) simply taking too long for looking that ugly.

But you wouldn't slow down there, you would rather dispatch the only dropship you have to the planets for exploration missions.

(It actually shares so much code with the currently active B5 add-on project, that it is still getting improved even if I stopped it officially. :lol: )

 

[fsci123]

Technology can improve, physics is physics.

We already know of speculative methods to slow down from 0.12 c, and also go at a higher speed, but these incur technical constraints, even fifty, a hundred, or a hundred and fifty years from now...



That applies to TV, radio, telecommunications signals. There's a big difference between our planet-intended noise, and a dedicated, powerful transmission.



A probe similar to Daedalus... yes, with a couple thousand tons added maybe.

I don't know what you mean by "cluster of sun like stars", the closest stellar cluster to us is many thousands of light years away, and might not be the best places for life anyway.

Also, you must remember that;

1. "I'm here, I'm here, I'm here!" may not be the best thing to shout out to an 'ETciv'.

2. Maybe they just don't care and thus aren't listening.

3. Blindly building a probe costing at the very least- many hundreds of billions of dollars- and launching it into the cosmos to blindly scream "I'm here, I'm here, I'm here", without any prior research as to whether there may actually be habitable planets or 'ETcivs' there is probably not the best option.

4. Having a probe many light years away complicates communications between two parties a great amount, and it isn't really necessary.

Well what is the worst that can happen if we announce are presence to an etciv using a probe...

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That is the scenario I still try to produce with the BattleTech add-on project for the first version - you are commanding an Explorer Corps jump ship (of course Magellan class :lol: ) and just entered an unknown solar system for exploration. I simply lack people making proper meshes, because my own work is a) ugly and b) simply taking too long for looking that ugly.

But you wouldn't slow down there, you would rather dispatch the only dropship you have to the planets for exploration missions.

(It actually shares so much code with the currently active B5 add-on project, that it is still getting improved even if I stopped it officially. :lol: )

I make meshes because i have alot of time on my hand so... yup...

 

[T.Neo]

Well what is the worst that can happen if we announce are presence to an etciv using a probe...

Well, I don't mean to sound like Mr. Alien Alarmist, I mean, ahem, Steven Hawking, but the worst that can happen is... INTERSTELLAR WAR! :hunter:

The worst thing that's likely to happen is a waste of severel hundred billion dollars on a probe that didn't do what it was advertised to.

 

[fsci123]

Well, I don't mean to sound like Mr. Alien Alarmist, I mean, ahem, Steven Hawking, but the worst that can happen is... INTERSTELLAR WAR! :hunter:

The worst thing that's likely to happen is a waste of severel hundred billion dollars on a probe that didn't do what it was advertised to.

Well why would aliens want to destroy all humans...:rofl:

 

[T.Neo]

I don't know. Why would Nazis want to destroy all Jews?

Ok, so I invoked Godwin's law... but that is probably the most poignant example in this case.

 

[Urwumpe]

I make meshes because i have alot of time on my hand so... yup...

So such a one wouldn't be a problem :lol:

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Magellan

My go it at looks a tiny bit unimpressive...

 

[fsci123]

I don't know. Why would Nazis want to destroy all Jews?

Ok, so I invoked Godwin's law... but that is probably the most poignant example in this case.

He killed the Jews because he was jealus of their natural talents... And he accused them of ruining his economy and killing jesus which is historicaly false...

 

[Izack]

He killed the Jews because he was jealus of their natural talents... And he accused them of ruining his economy and killing jesus which is historicaly false...

The point here is that these things can happen. If the Nazis could make up reasons to kill Jews, the ETs could make up reasons to kill us, unlikely though it seems and (hopefully :shifty is, or we could make up reasons to kill them.

Anyway, seeing as that's completely beside the point...
Yes, Spacecraft3 is not a very elegant method, and if it's avoidable please do avoid it...

What kind of functionality do you want in this vessel?

 

[fsci123]

The point here is that these things can happen. If the Nazis could make up reasons to kill Jews, the ETs could make up reasons to kill us, unlikely though it seems and (hopefully :shifty is, or we could make up reasons to kill them.

Anyway, seeing as that's completely beside the point...
Yes, Spacecraft3 is not a very elegant method, and if it's avoidable please do avoid it...

What kind of functionality do you want in this vessel?

Um i want the the second stage to separate from the first one when the fuel runs out... Ummu wardens to be rezzed... Damage to occur mid flight and destruction from damage if wardens aren't used...