Obama cancels Moon return project

Isn't this old news? Its been announced that Obama wants to cancel constellation for a few months now.
 
Isn't this old news? Its been announced that Obama wants to cancel constellation for a few months now.

Yeah, we fought this whole thing out last month.
 
this is the end of NASA as we know it? When the space shuttles retire, whats left?

Maybe all the unmanned missions and research activities done by NASA, not to mention international collaboration on the ISS?
 
Who thinks this is the end of NASA as we know it? When the space shuttles retire, whats left?

Oh my god, NASA didn't fly to the moon for 38 years!!! We are doomed !!111111

NASA is much more than just Shuttles. The manned spaceflight program is the most expensive part of it, but not the center of all activity. And this manned spaceflight part is also not canceled completely, but focuses on ISS and getting commercial orbital transport services (COTS) realized for the ISS - and later space stations.

Also the long-term goal got changed into developing technologies to make a long-range exploration program viable. As you might have noticed lately, the USA can't afford a bloated "flags and footprints" program at all costs and at all levels of incompetence inside NASA (NASA had the chance of really getting to the moon, despite GWB's budget proposals reducing NASAs budget after NASA was told to go to the moon. NASA failed it by forgetting all of their written knowledge about program management).

Bringing a new cleptocracy to Afghanistan is higher on the priority list.
 
Something I've though of is that Obama isn't canceling the push for the Moon as much as he may be setting up a proper infrastructure. Like have the commercial companies launch stuff into Orbit for NASA who then launches the crew and proceeds on to the Moon.
Well just a thought.
 
Something I've though of is that Obama isn't canceling the push for the Moon as much as he may be setting up a proper infrastructure. Like have the commercial companies launch stuff into Orbit for NASA who then launches the crew and proceeds on to the Moon.
Well just a thought.

I don't want to accuse Obama of intelligence.
 
Maybe the idea is to make access to LEO a common and "cheap" process (the Shuttle is very expensive). It would allow to build "real" spaceships (powered space stations). But not before 2025 IMHO.

Also, I've read on Spaceflight Now that the ISS has been re-certified up to 2028.
 
Maybe the idea is to make access to LEO a common and "cheap" process (the Shuttle is very expensive). It would allow to build "real" spaceships (powered space stations). But not before 2025 IMHO.

Reminds me of a programme that Nixon kicked off around the time Apollo 11 landed on the moon. It would provide cheap and routine access to space. If I recall right it was "the space shuttle"

Also, I've read on Spaceflight Now that the ISS has been re-certified up to 2028.

They can recertify it until 3028. If the USA pulls funding then there is no ISS.
 
It is disappointing that in 8 years NASA went from sub-orbital flights to landing on the moon, and in the next 40, nowhere new.
Of course, there is no money and interest for this (As [URL="http://orbiter-forum.com/member.php?u=125"][/URL]Urwumpe said - the much more costly war is of more interest)http://orbiter-forum.com/member.php?u=125http://orbiter-forum.com/member.php?u=125. Even with NASA's choices for returning, if even a fraction of the war money was spent on NASA...
Cheap spaceflight is advancing, but that lies with private companies.
 
It is disappointing that in 8 years NASA went from sub-orbital flights to landing on the moon, and in the next 40, nowhere new.

Which was what Congress wanted. NASA make no decisions on their own, they just enact what they are told to do.
 
Wow, here we go again!

Look, whether or not Obama gets his buget approved by congress he has at least brought light to a failed an woefully underfunded program. I liked the VSE as originally envisioned but let's face it, NASA has been ignored and neglected since "Return to Flight." Combine that with some very poor dicisions by former Admin Griffin in the arcitecture chosen. Griffin forced NASA to accept what was probably the MOST expensive plan at the expense of a very successfull unmaned program and alomost everything else in NASA's portfolio (i.e. tech research, aeronautics ect.).

Who can really say that in order to become a true space fairing spieces instead of a space visiting spiecies we don't need private industry in space and making money with HSF (Human Space Flight)? THIS IS NOT THE END OF HUMAN SPACE FLIGHT! It is a new begining! With R&D into real and enabling technologies likë:

-In space fuel transer and long term storage.
-In space propulsion like VASMIR and other cutting edge techs.
-Greater long term effects-on-the-human-body studied.
-Restarting the Energy Dept making fuel for RTGs and possible starting Project Prometheus again which is needed if we are to seriously go anywere past the moon.
-Greater international co-operation (because we the U.S. couldn't pay for it all ourselves).

Now, why would we want to trade all that for another "flags and footpints", "Apollo on Steroids" program where we simply burn $$ and stay stagnent in technology?

I agree that NASA should have some sort of manned launcher and not rely solely on the private sector and I hope the Side-Mount Shuttle is that compromise. But to make such hyperbolic statments like "this is the end of NASA or manned space flight"does a disservice in advancing the debate and makes you look like a fool.

And for those of you who think the private sector is not up to the task just look at Bigelow Aerospace. They have TWO working inflatable habitat test articles on orbit and will likey be a second costumer to private manned launch whether that launch provider is LockMart or SpaceX or whoever.

Obama HAS shown vision, intellegence and guts in persuing this new course. Lets stop tring to re-live the glory days of Apollo and actually move on!

:cheers:
 
Hopefully we get some exciting unmanned missions now, like a balloon on Titan, a sailplane to explore Martian atmosphere and a mission melting it's way through the ice on Europa.

That'd be sweet...
 
Yeah. Europa is very promising.

Far more promising than "you might get people out of LEO once or twice after 2040"...
 
Who can really say that in order to become a true space fairing spieces instead of a space visiting spiecies we don't need private industry in space and making money with HSF (Human Space Flight)?

It's one thing charging private industry with coming up with the means, another expecting them to lead in a venture that is high-risk, expensive and provides no immediate gains.

Obama HAS shown vision, intellegence and guts in persuing this new course. Lets stop tring to re-live the glory days of Apollo and actually move on!

Yeah, he has shown vision. The vision of an industry-dominated world, under the unassailable might of hefty dividends: http://www.osnews.com/story/23002/Obama_Sides_with_RIAA_MPAA_Backs_ACTA

Heil money.
 
I don't think that NASA needs to design its own launcher or spacecraft for that, it would be enough if NASA sets the specs and buys the stuff from companies as it is required. NASA would only need special spacecraft, if these wouldn't be available from the market in a short time. And even then, NASA could just use the air force program management model and delegate almost all work to subcontractors.

PS: I rather would have a company, that can go bankrupt, than a government agency or pseudo government agency that has to be socialized, if it fails.
 
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